Showing 1-15 of 17 comments . The recoil and muzzle blast could be severely jarring to Firefly crews and the muzzle blast frequently caused night blindness as well. Make sure to eliminate the enemy's ability to fire back by destroying their cannon breech and traverse gears, or knock out their driver and gunner again if they were replaced. [9] How it got the name is debatable, but it is most likely due to the very prominent muzzle flash that the 17-pounder produces when firing. [7] The redesigned 17-pounder, named Mk IV was built on 11 November 1943 at the Royal Ordnance Factory and could fit into the Sherman turret,[6] but now the concern was on the crew inside. With situational awareness combined with the correct usage of the map, the Firefly becomes a decent tank capable of effectively fighting every medium and heavy tank it faces. 1. Not that the American's own industries were making the situation easier for the British as when they discontinued their M4A4 Sherman and 75 mm gun production, there was a quick drop in Firefly conversions in the latter part of 1944 until they could supplement the production with enough Sherman I models. Fireflies were in such high demand that some commanders have expressed thought of obtaining the 17-pdr armed M10 as supplement. Witheridge, still keen to the idea of using the Sherman, tried to get this directive reversed by appealing to his connections, namely a man going by Major General Raymond Briggs. M4 Tipo IC Sherman Vc M4A4. Abgerufen von „https://de.warthunder.info/index.php?title=Firefly&oldid=11656“ The muzzle brake on the cannon is also in a spherical shape rather than a horizontal rectangular shape so that is a distinction between the 76 mm cannon and the 17-pounder. [8] Due to the relative newness of the Firefly, most of the training done on the utilization and deployment of the Fireflies were done on the combat field by each regiment. It will not get any better than this until rank VI, so get used to it - it will be the same across entire tech tree for a while with SPAA being the only exception. The British understood the trend that was happening in German armoured forces and acted accordingly with the 17-pounder. The Sherman IC Firefly was removed from War Thunder stores after the 2018 Summer Sale event. [16] In the American's own program, it was advised that they try mounting the 17-pounder in the T23 turret made for the 76 mm gun, but also mounted on the T26 chassis. Though they soon developed the HVAP ammunition, General Omar Bradley's 12th US Army Group on 13 August 1944 requested for Fireflies to be made until better American armament like the 90 mm could be fielded. It wasn't until February 1945 when the British finally made time for conversions for the Americans. 6 feb, 2016 @ 19:27 Sherman Firefly This tank is great against low armor stuff that sneeks into TIII but when you face Tigers,Panthers,IS-1,Su-152s, and more its just a free kill for the enemy. This page was last edited on 21 December 2020, at 19:01. From the hedgerow of Normandy, France, to the hills of Italy and the plains of Netherlands, the Firefly was one of the few Allied tanks the Germans learned to fear… Among the most potent Allied conversion of the war, and certainly one of the deadliest version of the Sherman, it was a clever -although risky and improvised- move to try to keep up with the latest German tank developments. I don't know how to avoid getting one shot besides hiding behind a rock the whole game. How do you play it? I would literally move all the tracks to the front and cover it in bushes if possible. Incl. Und obwohl auf Umwegen bzw. 1.8k. [8] Finally, there was an issue of ammo stowage for the larger and heavier 17-pdr rounds, 6 inches longer than the 75 mm shells. F2. Field reports by a Colonel W.E.H. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Today we’re going to unveil our first armoured vehicles of the British tech line which are going to appear in one of our incoming updates. [11], The first non-DD tank regiment with Fireflies to land was the Staffordshire Yeomanry, which had at least 12 Sherman VC with 48 Sherman IIIs, however, little information exists on how it performed on the opening days of the Normandy campaign. Pioneering British Tanks in War Thunder with developer's answers. This tank should be the supporting line in both offensive and defensive actions, providing flanking fire, long-range fire, or fast and accurate fire to the target while the heavy tanks take up the brunt of the defence. This makes the Firefly a much more vulnerable Sherman tank than even the American versions, a trade-off for its more powerful armament. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Sherman_IC_%22Trzyniec%22&oldid=82249, Cast homogeneous armour (Transmission area, Turret). EAN: 4250229623627. As such, APCBC round would still be standard usage and though the 17-pounder was still slightly more powerful than the 76 mm, it traded crew comfort and design quality in the Firefly in comparison to the 76 mm gun in the larger T23 turret. Jul 26, 2019 @ 4:09am Comet's got the APDS that punches through Panthers, only issue is its a higher BR than the Firefly, … The Tipo is a composite Sherman, so crap armor basically. Der Sherman Firefly (Leuchtkäfer) war ein alliierter Kampfpanzer, dessen Entwicklung als Reaktion auf die zunehmende technische Dominanz deutscher Panzerkampfwagen – besonders durch den Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger – zu verstehen ist. too bad the 75mm is probably more dangerous than the 17pndr nowadays ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). M4A3E2 (76) W. Other . Once reloaded, preferably pop out of an area different from the last firing position and take another shot. Though this deduction was not supported by evidence (19% of total Fireflies were lost, but 29% of regular tanks were lost as well), the concern of Firefly loss was great because of the supply issue. [10], Still, as D-Day approached for the Allied forces and the A30 Challenger was continually delayed, the eagerness of the troops to acquire the Firefly rose substantially. What's the difference? During this whole process, watch out for other enemy tanks and avoid being swarmed. Inspection of the completed Sherman with the 17-pdr started on 06 January 1944, and the War Office wrote a requirement for up to 2,100 of the tanks to be up-gunned. [5], One person deemed responsible for completing the project was W.G.K. The large breech of the modified 17-pounder ate up a lot of internal space and isolated the loader on the left side of the gun and turret; the solution was to cut a hole on top of the loader's position and add a hatch. The next design took the Cromwell tank as its basis, with development proceeding in 1942 as the A30 (later known as the Challenger). Sherman Mk Vc Firefly - In der Röntgenansicht wird nun der historische Motor dargestellt. Sherman VC vs. Sherman Firefly? However, it was during the middle of 1943 that the Sherman design was beginning to wane in superiority with the reveal of newer German tanks in the front lines, namely the Tiger I and the Panther tanks. 640 Amx 13 57 GF asia server E100 JPZ 4 m46 military challenge coins Porsche (Automobile Company) real life spiritual warfare sahmlockhart sherman firefly Trolling war thunder erstaz m10 war thunder me-262 war thunder object 120 war thunder ps4 war thunder request World of Tanks 121B Gameplay World of Tanks Alpine Tiger World of Tanks Funniest Replay world of tanks … M4A1 (FL10) IV Rank. Grylls in 1945[12] helped highlight the troop's sentiments on the Firefly in combat, and especially their deficiencies. [12] Still, the units acquiring the Fireflies appreciated what they had as it was the only tank in Normandy in the Summer of 1944 that had a reasonable chance of defeating a Panther or Tiger at combat ranges in the front. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" M4A3 (76) W ␗M4A1 (75) W M4A4. Troops with the up-gunned Sherman, as early as March 1944, were describing tank as a Firefly, regardless of the type. Download War Thunder NOW! Sherman VC … Grylls also highlighted the crew praise on how the Firefly tended to not catch fire as quickly as Shermans, though this is deduced to by the placement of the majority of ammunition on the bottom of the hull, like the "wet stowage" arrangement on the newer Sherman models. This varies between different enemies, as going against something like the KV-2 would be different than going against a Tiger I. Sherman Firefly. The shermans all brew up pretty easily but the firefly is awful. [2] The British predicted that the Germans would be increasing their tank armour gradually to make current anti-tank weapons ineffective in North Africa, a lesson learned when their issued 2-pounder, 6-pounder, and 75 mm guns were meeting heavier armoured tanks and even tanks with superior firepower like the 75 mm KwK 40 on the Pz.Kpfw. The best I can do is lob words and hope it sticks. Witheridge was also convinced of the Sherman's virtues from his time at Fort Knox when advising on tank gunnery techniques. The radio, usually mounted on the rear of the turret, was deemed too close to the recoiling breech for comfort so an armoured box was welded to the turret rear for the radio and a hole cut into the turret rear for operating the radio away from the recoiling gun. [14], Once Firefly supply to the Normandy campaign was satisfied in October 1944, Fireflies were allocated to the Italian theatre, shared out to the Polish, Canadian, New Zealand, British, and South African regiments stationed there. I try to hide my whole tank behind a hill, or a building. At that time, the “basic” M4 Sherman equipped the Allies almost exclusively, from the US to the British, Canadian, ANZACS, Fr… It was they who, a few days after the landings, deduced that the Germans seemed to be targeting their Fireflies specifically for their long guns. Unless the enemy's tank gunner has been knocked out (black only), cannon breech has been disabled (red/black), or cannon barrel is disabled (red/black) that inhibits the enemy's ability to fire back, don’t expose the tank after firing. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". The Sherman Firefly is easily distinguishable by its very long gun, even compared to the Shermans with the American 76 mm guns. 1.8k. Other regiments were originally DD tanks with Fireflies but were employed as regular tank regiments once inland. Unlike the armour on the American Rank III Shermans which saw itself upped from 50.8 mm to 63.5 mm, the British Firefly in Rank III retains the old 50.8 mm base armour thickness on the front hull, as well as the protruding driver and co-driver hatches in front. While this tank is also capable of being the frontal attack unit for an assault, it is strongly advised not to due to the thin armour of the tank, necessitating the users to always get the first shot off in an encounter, otherwise the enemy will be able to destroy the Firefly easily. Videos featuring my skins may show up on Youtube or War Thunder Live, but they all link back to here. Also its hard to do research on a tank when you die every time you try to cap. I wish Gaijin would include sandbags for extra armour, or let us put the armour on (with restrictions of course) like the decals. This variant, … In the second part, tell the re Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, I put some "Eight balls" decals on my barrel. Posted by 8 hours ago. [13] In fact, the Firefly is most likely the responsible tank that destroyed the Tiger tank containing the Tiger Ace Michael Wittmann on 08 August 1944. Category: Alle Produkte. Posted by 4 days ago. On the onset, the Americans were not enthusiastic about the Firefly because they believed they had a comparable design in the 76 mm armed Shermans. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" of 2nd (Warsaw) Armoured Division. The Ordnance QF 17-pounder was a 76.2 mm anti-tank gun developed by the United Kingdom around 1942 but was considered as far back as 21 November 1940. Item number: 1212372014. The Fireflies were also allocated to Canadian and Polish regiments. It then moved onto the next stage of being approved for service. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. The right side of the turret has extra armour that is 88.9 mm thick. Using the Sherman as the basis, the British added their famed 17-pounder anti-tank gun to the turret, making the tank a very potent weapon against heavily armoured tanks of its battle rating. [6], The Firefly's first combat action on D-Day was not actually on the land of Normandy but on the sea. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Now the gun used is the 17 pounder or QF 76mm gun yet it doesn't get sabot while the same gun on the Challenger and Black Prince do get them. Art. It should be noted that the 17-pounder's super round, the APDS, did not appear in Firefly stowage until August 1944,[4] and in combat was really inaccurate past 500 yards and the round fouled the barrel that it affected follow-up shots with APCBC rounds. Though a good portion of Germany's armour in the Normandy front were Panthers, a good majority were still Panzer IVs and self-propelled guns,[14] all of which were manageable even with the 75 mm guns. [15] Due to supply constraints, they never received any during that time period. What solidified the Firefly's place in history in comparison to the 76 mm Shermans was that on the very first day that the Allies invaded Normandy, the British actually brought the Fireflies while the Americans left their 76 mm guns in English depots. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Identical to Sherman Firefly, which is the first tank in its tech line to have X6 scope. [3] One of the reasons why the 17-pounder was so effective was the use of the APDS shot (Armour-Piercing Discarding-Sabot), which could penetrate up to 256 mm of armour at 500 meters distance; this is due to the smaller, but much faster projectile used that contains more kinetic energy than a full-sized shot. Verfügbar werden die vier exklusiven Fahrzeuge A13 Mk.II Cruister, der Sherman Firefly Ic mit schlagkräftigem Hauptgeschütz, die Selbstfahrlafette M10 Achilles und der A43 Black Prince als Ausführung des Infanterie-Unterstützungspanzers Churchill. Meet the British pioneers in War Thunder: the A13 Mk.II cruiser tank, the Sherman Firefly medium tank, the M10 Achilles anti-tank SPG, and the A43 Black Prince infantry tank. The muzzle brake sometimes came loose from an inadequate locking design, the traverse gear also failed at times due to the extra turret weight from the gun, rain leaked into the radio box on some tanks, internal space for the Firefly turret crew was comparatively cramped to the Sherman's, the muzzle flash at the gun's muzzle brake can obscure the target enough that it is difficult to ensure the firing round hit it, and muzzle flash on the breech end of the gun inside the turret has a tendency to cause a fair share of discomfort and uneasiness for the crew. Hey, guys, which ammo is worth to use with firefly... and how is gun performance nowadays, I hope it doesnt su*k :) :) like US heat fs nowadays THX THX The Firefly's performance was very favourable for the troops that had to use them against the heavy German tanks. Once the LCT reached the shore, the Fireflies were ordered to disembark and head inland, finishing off obstacles and join their original tank regiments. I'm kind of surprised by how well that works. At that BR the difference isn't all that big though. Dirt and dust revealed the position of the tank, so Sherman Fireflies would have to move every few shots. In a statement on how confident such a design looked from the outside, Witheridge test-fired Brighty's 17-pounder Sherman from the outside three times before trying it out inside. To increase the stowage for more 17-pounder rounds, the bow machine gunner was removed along with his machine gun (the port welded over by a prominent wedge-shaped armour) and a rack holding 15 rounds placed in his location, however the position for the rack was also impossible to reach during combat and one location on the rack was so hard to get to that it wasn't used, making the total stowage 14 rounds instead.[6]. The first trials were converting two M4A3 Shermans to fit American specifications like fitting their larger radios, adding stowage brackets for the M2 machine gun, and attachment of a M9 elevating quadrant on the gun cradle. Churchill Mk.VII - Die Darstellung der durch die Kettenabdeckung "laufenden" Ketten wurde behoben.. RakJPz 2 - Die Darstellung des Munitionsgurtes für das Flugabwehr-MG wurde hinzugefügt. The Firefly's were assigned an unusual role to, while on the LCT that would carry them to the beaches, would fire over the berm towards concrete fortifications and blast them with the 17-pdr. During the war, Sherman Firefly with its 17 pdr posed a great threat to the german heavies and their distinctively long barrels meant that the Germans usually target them out first during combat. Always try to retreat back into cover to reload. Originally conceived as a stopgap until future British tank designs came into service, the Sherman Firefly … RB Ground. It was based on the US M4 Sherman, but fitted with the powerful 3-inch (76.2 mm) calibre British 17-pounder anti-tank gun as its main weapon. bonus code. The British, however, chose to up the ante with one of the Allies' most potent anti-tank guns at the time, the 17-pounder. M4A4 (SA50) M4A3E2. Now you're probably thinking "who the hell gives a crap about that one WW2 medium tank for the UK" I do. With that, supply issue arose in that theatre for the Firefly, causing the units that received the Fireflies to treasure them greatly. Der verbleibende Hauptteil der britischen Landstreitkräfte wird War Thunder bis Ende 2015 erreichen. However, with the Ministry of Supply now involved with the project, the design was shifted from two enthusiastic officers to the engineers. This variant of the Firefly represents a version utilized by Polish armed forces operating within the British army. While A30 was in development, the prolonged development time had Tank Board set up for two more 17-pounder projects, the A34 (Comet) for a short term project and A41 (Centurion) for a long term one, in the summer of 1943. All rights reserved. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details. As illustrated that though 22 Fireflies were lost, by June 23 only six replacements had arrived. I really like improvised vehicle modifications like this and stuff like improvised addon armor :), I bet the guys in the regular Shermans were absolutely thrilled. If you want to use my skins for something outside of normal play, be a dear and let me know beforehand. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. It was removed from the store after the 2018 Summer Sale, but was reintroduced for War Thunder's 6th Anniversary as a premium purchasable for 4,000 Golden Eagles . The tank is as mobile as the M4 Sherman, so picking up speed to get around the enemy is not hard. Dakota. Not every Sherman could follow the conversion, whether by technical or logistics limitations, and only petrol-engined, M34A1 gun mounted, and have a hydraulic turret traverse system. Some of the deficiencies were fixed, such as the flashback at the breech end by implementing a delayed action breech on the 17-pounder Mk.VII model, but all these faults never diminished the popularity of the Firefly, highlighted by the statements of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery that he wished to have Fireflies replace all types of Shermans in British service.[12]. The stowage on the tank was in bins in the turret for ready access, but a bulk of it was placed under the turret floor that could only be accessed when the turret was aligned a certain position for each bin, making them more for replenishing the ready racks during breaks in combat. There 's absolutely no point in using that Firefly IMO 2019 @ 4:06am or. Normandy when they were proven wrong and learned the 76 mm were unable to contend Panthers. To sources and external resources, such as: © 2010—2020 by Gaijin Entertainment has! 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The recoil and muzzle blast could be severely jarring to Firefly crews and the muzzle blast frequently caused night blindness as well. Make sure to eliminate the enemy's ability to fire back by destroying their cannon breech and traverse gears, or knock out their driver and gunner again if they were replaced. [9] How it got the name is debatable, but it is most likely due to the very prominent muzzle flash that the 17-pounder produces when firing. [7] The redesigned 17-pounder, named Mk IV was built on 11 November 1943 at the Royal Ordnance Factory and could fit into the Sherman turret,[6] but now the concern was on the crew inside. With situational awareness combined with the correct usage of the map, the Firefly becomes a decent tank capable of effectively fighting every medium and heavy tank it faces. 1. Not that the American's own industries were making the situation easier for the British as when they discontinued their M4A4 Sherman and 75 mm gun production, there was a quick drop in Firefly conversions in the latter part of 1944 until they could supplement the production with enough Sherman I models. Fireflies were in such high demand that some commanders have expressed thought of obtaining the 17-pdr armed M10 as supplement. Witheridge, still keen to the idea of using the Sherman, tried to get this directive reversed by appealing to his connections, namely a man going by Major General Raymond Briggs. M4 Tipo IC Sherman Vc M4A4. Abgerufen von „https://de.warthunder.info/index.php?title=Firefly&oldid=11656“ The muzzle brake on the cannon is also in a spherical shape rather than a horizontal rectangular shape so that is a distinction between the 76 mm cannon and the 17-pounder. [8] Due to the relative newness of the Firefly, most of the training done on the utilization and deployment of the Fireflies were done on the combat field by each regiment. It will not get any better than this until rank VI, so get used to it - it will be the same across entire tech tree for a while with SPAA being the only exception. The British understood the trend that was happening in German armoured forces and acted accordingly with the 17-pounder. The Sherman IC Firefly was removed from War Thunder stores after the 2018 Summer Sale event. [16] In the American's own program, it was advised that they try mounting the 17-pounder in the T23 turret made for the 76 mm gun, but also mounted on the T26 chassis. Though they soon developed the HVAP ammunition, General Omar Bradley's 12th US Army Group on 13 August 1944 requested for Fireflies to be made until better American armament like the 90 mm could be fielded. It wasn't until February 1945 when the British finally made time for conversions for the Americans. 6 feb, 2016 @ 19:27 Sherman Firefly This tank is great against low armor stuff that sneeks into TIII but when you face Tigers,Panthers,IS-1,Su-152s, and more its just a free kill for the enemy. This page was last edited on 21 December 2020, at 19:01. From the hedgerow of Normandy, France, to the hills of Italy and the plains of Netherlands, the Firefly was one of the few Allied tanks the Germans learned to fear… Among the most potent Allied conversion of the war, and certainly one of the deadliest version of the Sherman, it was a clever -although risky and improvised- move to try to keep up with the latest German tank developments. I don't know how to avoid getting one shot besides hiding behind a rock the whole game. How do you play it? I would literally move all the tracks to the front and cover it in bushes if possible. Incl. Und obwohl auf Umwegen bzw. 1.8k. [8] Finally, there was an issue of ammo stowage for the larger and heavier 17-pdr rounds, 6 inches longer than the 75 mm shells. F2. Field reports by a Colonel W.E.H. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Today we’re going to unveil our first armoured vehicles of the British tech line which are going to appear in one of our incoming updates. [11], The first non-DD tank regiment with Fireflies to land was the Staffordshire Yeomanry, which had at least 12 Sherman VC with 48 Sherman IIIs, however, little information exists on how it performed on the opening days of the Normandy campaign. Pioneering British Tanks in War Thunder with developer's answers. This tank should be the supporting line in both offensive and defensive actions, providing flanking fire, long-range fire, or fast and accurate fire to the target while the heavy tanks take up the brunt of the defence. This makes the Firefly a much more vulnerable Sherman tank than even the American versions, a trade-off for its more powerful armament. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Sherman_IC_%22Trzyniec%22&oldid=82249, Cast homogeneous armour (Transmission area, Turret). EAN: 4250229623627. As such, APCBC round would still be standard usage and though the 17-pounder was still slightly more powerful than the 76 mm, it traded crew comfort and design quality in the Firefly in comparison to the 76 mm gun in the larger T23 turret. Jul 26, 2019 @ 4:09am Comet's got the APDS that punches through Panthers, only issue is its a higher BR than the Firefly, … The Tipo is a composite Sherman, so crap armor basically. Der Sherman Firefly (Leuchtkäfer) war ein alliierter Kampfpanzer, dessen Entwicklung als Reaktion auf die zunehmende technische Dominanz deutscher Panzerkampfwagen – besonders durch den Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger – zu verstehen ist. too bad the 75mm is probably more dangerous than the 17pndr nowadays ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). M4A3E2 (76) W. Other . Once reloaded, preferably pop out of an area different from the last firing position and take another shot. Though this deduction was not supported by evidence (19% of total Fireflies were lost, but 29% of regular tanks were lost as well), the concern of Firefly loss was great because of the supply issue. [10], Still, as D-Day approached for the Allied forces and the A30 Challenger was continually delayed, the eagerness of the troops to acquire the Firefly rose substantially. What's the difference? During this whole process, watch out for other enemy tanks and avoid being swarmed. Inspection of the completed Sherman with the 17-pdr started on 06 January 1944, and the War Office wrote a requirement for up to 2,100 of the tanks to be up-gunned. [5], One person deemed responsible for completing the project was W.G.K. The large breech of the modified 17-pounder ate up a lot of internal space and isolated the loader on the left side of the gun and turret; the solution was to cut a hole on top of the loader's position and add a hatch. The next design took the Cromwell tank as its basis, with development proceeding in 1942 as the A30 (later known as the Challenger). Sherman Mk Vc Firefly - In der Röntgenansicht wird nun der historische Motor dargestellt. Sherman VC vs. Sherman Firefly? However, it was during the middle of 1943 that the Sherman design was beginning to wane in superiority with the reveal of newer German tanks in the front lines, namely the Tiger I and the Panther tanks. 640 Amx 13 57 GF asia server E100 JPZ 4 m46 military challenge coins Porsche (Automobile Company) real life spiritual warfare sahmlockhart sherman firefly Trolling war thunder erstaz m10 war thunder me-262 war thunder object 120 war thunder ps4 war thunder request World of Tanks 121B Gameplay World of Tanks Alpine Tiger World of Tanks Funniest Replay world of tanks … M4A1 (FL10) IV Rank. Grylls in 1945[12] helped highlight the troop's sentiments on the Firefly in combat, and especially their deficiencies. [12] Still, the units acquiring the Fireflies appreciated what they had as it was the only tank in Normandy in the Summer of 1944 that had a reasonable chance of defeating a Panther or Tiger at combat ranges in the front. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" M4A3 (76) W ␗M4A1 (75) W M4A4. Troops with the up-gunned Sherman, as early as March 1944, were describing tank as a Firefly, regardless of the type. Download War Thunder NOW! Sherman VC … Grylls also highlighted the crew praise on how the Firefly tended to not catch fire as quickly as Shermans, though this is deduced to by the placement of the majority of ammunition on the bottom of the hull, like the "wet stowage" arrangement on the newer Sherman models. This varies between different enemies, as going against something like the KV-2 would be different than going against a Tiger I. Sherman Firefly. The shermans all brew up pretty easily but the firefly is awful. [2] The British predicted that the Germans would be increasing their tank armour gradually to make current anti-tank weapons ineffective in North Africa, a lesson learned when their issued 2-pounder, 6-pounder, and 75 mm guns were meeting heavier armoured tanks and even tanks with superior firepower like the 75 mm KwK 40 on the Pz.Kpfw. The best I can do is lob words and hope it sticks. Witheridge was also convinced of the Sherman's virtues from his time at Fort Knox when advising on tank gunnery techniques. The radio, usually mounted on the rear of the turret, was deemed too close to the recoiling breech for comfort so an armoured box was welded to the turret rear for the radio and a hole cut into the turret rear for operating the radio away from the recoiling gun. [14], Once Firefly supply to the Normandy campaign was satisfied in October 1944, Fireflies were allocated to the Italian theatre, shared out to the Polish, Canadian, New Zealand, British, and South African regiments stationed there. I try to hide my whole tank behind a hill, or a building. At that time, the “basic” M4 Sherman equipped the Allies almost exclusively, from the US to the British, Canadian, ANZACS, Fr… It was they who, a few days after the landings, deduced that the Germans seemed to be targeting their Fireflies specifically for their long guns. Unless the enemy's tank gunner has been knocked out (black only), cannon breech has been disabled (red/black), or cannon barrel is disabled (red/black) that inhibits the enemy's ability to fire back, don’t expose the tank after firing. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". The Sherman Firefly is easily distinguishable by its very long gun, even compared to the Shermans with the American 76 mm guns. 1.8k. Other regiments were originally DD tanks with Fireflies but were employed as regular tank regiments once inland. Unlike the armour on the American Rank III Shermans which saw itself upped from 50.8 mm to 63.5 mm, the British Firefly in Rank III retains the old 50.8 mm base armour thickness on the front hull, as well as the protruding driver and co-driver hatches in front. While this tank is also capable of being the frontal attack unit for an assault, it is strongly advised not to due to the thin armour of the tank, necessitating the users to always get the first shot off in an encounter, otherwise the enemy will be able to destroy the Firefly easily. Videos featuring my skins may show up on Youtube or War Thunder Live, but they all link back to here. Also its hard to do research on a tank when you die every time you try to cap. I wish Gaijin would include sandbags for extra armour, or let us put the armour on (with restrictions of course) like the decals. This variant, … In the second part, tell the re Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, I put some "Eight balls" decals on my barrel. Posted by 8 hours ago. [13] In fact, the Firefly is most likely the responsible tank that destroyed the Tiger tank containing the Tiger Ace Michael Wittmann on 08 August 1944. Category: Alle Produkte. Posted by 4 days ago. On the onset, the Americans were not enthusiastic about the Firefly because they believed they had a comparable design in the 76 mm armed Shermans. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" of 2nd (Warsaw) Armoured Division. The Ordnance QF 17-pounder was a 76.2 mm anti-tank gun developed by the United Kingdom around 1942 but was considered as far back as 21 November 1940. Item number: 1212372014. The Fireflies were also allocated to Canadian and Polish regiments. It then moved onto the next stage of being approved for service. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. The right side of the turret has extra armour that is 88.9 mm thick. Using the Sherman as the basis, the British added their famed 17-pounder anti-tank gun to the turret, making the tank a very potent weapon against heavily armoured tanks of its battle rating. [6], The Firefly's first combat action on D-Day was not actually on the land of Normandy but on the sea. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Now the gun used is the 17 pounder or QF 76mm gun yet it doesn't get sabot while the same gun on the Challenger and Black Prince do get them. Art. It should be noted that the 17-pounder's super round, the APDS, did not appear in Firefly stowage until August 1944,[4] and in combat was really inaccurate past 500 yards and the round fouled the barrel that it affected follow-up shots with APCBC rounds. Though a good portion of Germany's armour in the Normandy front were Panthers, a good majority were still Panzer IVs and self-propelled guns,[14] all of which were manageable even with the 75 mm guns. [15] Due to supply constraints, they never received any during that time period. What solidified the Firefly's place in history in comparison to the 76 mm Shermans was that on the very first day that the Allies invaded Normandy, the British actually brought the Fireflies while the Americans left their 76 mm guns in English depots. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Identical to Sherman Firefly, which is the first tank in its tech line to have X6 scope. [3] One of the reasons why the 17-pounder was so effective was the use of the APDS shot (Armour-Piercing Discarding-Sabot), which could penetrate up to 256 mm of armour at 500 meters distance; this is due to the smaller, but much faster projectile used that contains more kinetic energy than a full-sized shot. Verfügbar werden die vier exklusiven Fahrzeuge A13 Mk.II Cruister, der Sherman Firefly Ic mit schlagkräftigem Hauptgeschütz, die Selbstfahrlafette M10 Achilles und der A43 Black Prince als Ausführung des Infanterie-Unterstützungspanzers Churchill. Meet the British pioneers in War Thunder: the A13 Mk.II cruiser tank, the Sherman Firefly medium tank, the M10 Achilles anti-tank SPG, and the A43 Black Prince infantry tank. The muzzle brake sometimes came loose from an inadequate locking design, the traverse gear also failed at times due to the extra turret weight from the gun, rain leaked into the radio box on some tanks, internal space for the Firefly turret crew was comparatively cramped to the Sherman's, the muzzle flash at the gun's muzzle brake can obscure the target enough that it is difficult to ensure the firing round hit it, and muzzle flash on the breech end of the gun inside the turret has a tendency to cause a fair share of discomfort and uneasiness for the crew. Hey, guys, which ammo is worth to use with firefly... and how is gun performance nowadays, I hope it doesnt su*k :) :) like US heat fs nowadays THX THX The Firefly's performance was very favourable for the troops that had to use them against the heavy German tanks. Once the LCT reached the shore, the Fireflies were ordered to disembark and head inland, finishing off obstacles and join their original tank regiments. I'm kind of surprised by how well that works. At that BR the difference isn't all that big though. Dirt and dust revealed the position of the tank, so Sherman Fireflies would have to move every few shots. In a statement on how confident such a design looked from the outside, Witheridge test-fired Brighty's 17-pounder Sherman from the outside three times before trying it out inside. To increase the stowage for more 17-pounder rounds, the bow machine gunner was removed along with his machine gun (the port welded over by a prominent wedge-shaped armour) and a rack holding 15 rounds placed in his location, however the position for the rack was also impossible to reach during combat and one location on the rack was so hard to get to that it wasn't used, making the total stowage 14 rounds instead.[6]. The first trials were converting two M4A3 Shermans to fit American specifications like fitting their larger radios, adding stowage brackets for the M2 machine gun, and attachment of a M9 elevating quadrant on the gun cradle. Churchill Mk.VII - Die Darstellung der durch die Kettenabdeckung "laufenden" Ketten wurde behoben.. RakJPz 2 - Die Darstellung des Munitionsgurtes für das Flugabwehr-MG wurde hinzugefügt. The Firefly's were assigned an unusual role to, while on the LCT that would carry them to the beaches, would fire over the berm towards concrete fortifications and blast them with the 17-pdr. During the war, Sherman Firefly with its 17 pdr posed a great threat to the german heavies and their distinctively long barrels meant that the Germans usually target them out first during combat. Always try to retreat back into cover to reload. Originally conceived as a stopgap until future British tank designs came into service, the Sherman Firefly … RB Ground. It was based on the US M4 Sherman, but fitted with the powerful 3-inch (76.2 mm) calibre British 17-pounder anti-tank gun as its main weapon. bonus code. The British, however, chose to up the ante with one of the Allies' most potent anti-tank guns at the time, the 17-pounder. M4A4 (SA50) M4A3E2. Now you're probably thinking "who the hell gives a crap about that one WW2 medium tank for the UK" I do. With that, supply issue arose in that theatre for the Firefly, causing the units that received the Fireflies to treasure them greatly. Der verbleibende Hauptteil der britischen Landstreitkräfte wird War Thunder bis Ende 2015 erreichen. However, with the Ministry of Supply now involved with the project, the design was shifted from two enthusiastic officers to the engineers. This variant of the Firefly represents a version utilized by Polish armed forces operating within the British army. While A30 was in development, the prolonged development time had Tank Board set up for two more 17-pounder projects, the A34 (Comet) for a short term project and A41 (Centurion) for a long term one, in the summer of 1943. All rights reserved. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details. As illustrated that though 22 Fireflies were lost, by June 23 only six replacements had arrived. I really like improvised vehicle modifications like this and stuff like improvised addon armor :), I bet the guys in the regular Shermans were absolutely thrilled. If you want to use my skins for something outside of normal play, be a dear and let me know beforehand. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. It was removed from the store after the 2018 Summer Sale, but was reintroduced for War Thunder's 6th Anniversary as a premium purchasable for 4,000 Golden Eagles . The tank is as mobile as the M4 Sherman, so picking up speed to get around the enemy is not hard. Dakota. Not every Sherman could follow the conversion, whether by technical or logistics limitations, and only petrol-engined, M34A1 gun mounted, and have a hydraulic turret traverse system. Some of the deficiencies were fixed, such as the flashback at the breech end by implementing a delayed action breech on the 17-pounder Mk.VII model, but all these faults never diminished the popularity of the Firefly, highlighted by the statements of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery that he wished to have Fireflies replace all types of Shermans in British service.[12]. The stowage on the tank was in bins in the turret for ready access, but a bulk of it was placed under the turret floor that could only be accessed when the turret was aligned a certain position for each bin, making them more for replenishing the ready racks during breaks in combat. There 's absolutely no point in using that Firefly IMO 2019 @ 4:06am or. Normandy when they were proven wrong and learned the 76 mm were unable to contend Panthers. To sources and external resources, such as: © 2010—2020 by Gaijin Entertainment has! 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Jul 26, 2019 @ 4:06am comet or sherman firefly which one should i get 1st? [15][17] A request of 160 Fireflies were specified on 11 March 1945 for completion on April 30, with the Americans shipping suitable tanks from France back to England for conversion. - http://tinyurl.com/PhlyThunder 57MM MOSQUITO & SHERMAN FIREFLY - War Thunder Tanks Gameplay Connect With me!! That said, there's absolutely no point in using that Firefly IMO. Sherman VC Firefly располагается на III ранге исследования английской бронетехники и был добавлен в War Thunder в обновлении 1.55 "Королевская Броня". He replaced the recoil cylinders with shorter ones mounted on the sides, opposite to each other top and bottom, on a special cradle, modified the gun barrel to fit onto the cradle for better support, and placed the gun breech to open horizontally (contrary to the statement that the gun was simply rotated 90 degrees sideways as the operators of the gun has not been rotated along with the breech). Heeding the comments on how Fireflies were singled out for their long guns, there were attempts to hide the prominent gun barrels, ranging from deceptive paint schemes, camouflage, and even dummy barrels on the back of the Firefly turret that would be pointed forward to mimic the short 75 mm gun.[12]. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO … Press J to jump to the feed. Paste links to sources and external resources, such as: © 2010—2020 by Gaijin Entertainment. From the conversion period of 1944 to 1945, up to and between 2,100 to 2,200 Fireflies were converted, making it the most-produced tank with the 17-pounder of the war. This tank is great against low armor stuff that sneeks into TIII but when you face Tigers,Panthers,IS-1,Su-152s, and more its just a free kill for the enemy. The Sherman Firefly can dish out the punishment necessary for heavy tanks, but can’t take it. Experience from the ground and the density of heavy German tanks changed some initial organization of one Firefly troop per three Sherman troop into one Firefly per tank troop. The Firefly's reputation during and after the war is a product of hindsight. One of the most famous Sherman modifications in World War II, the Firefly introduces the potent 17-pounder anti-tank gun as the main armament of the Sherman platfo… r/Warthunder: This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows … Press J to jump to the feed. Though this proved to have worked, the modification was far from ideal for any practical usage. Sounds like three things that would enhance the game! 13. While he appreciated the dual-purpose usage the 75 mm gun on the Sherman provided, he was concerned on improving the armour-piercing properties while retaining the same high-explosive charge. It would see significant effect in the Italian Campaign as one of the best Allied anti-tank guns. It's a nice formality and keeps me from trying to chew you out. The bow machine gun area has been welded shut with armour, but is only 25.4 mm thick so may present a viable weakness to weaker enemies. The first mention of mounting the powerful gun onto a tank carriage was as early as 09 December 1941 by Tank Board, which prompted the design specification A29, a 45-ton 17-pounder armed tank that was eventually cancelled for another design. User account menu. I put some "Eight balls" decals on my barrel to try and hide the length of it. Interactive tank battles for up to 16 players. Four factories were prioritized for the conversion, two at London, one at Manchester and another at Nottingham. As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells disappear from the rack only after you fire both shells in the set. That's why some Sherman Firefly crews started painting over their barrels to disguise them to look like normal Shermans with the less effective 75mm gun like this and this. It was not until Normandy when they were proven wrong and learned the 76 mm were unable to contend against Panthers from the front. ohne offizielle Genehmigung entwickelt, wurde d… < > Showing 1-15 of 17 comments . The recoil and muzzle blast could be severely jarring to Firefly crews and the muzzle blast frequently caused night blindness as well. Make sure to eliminate the enemy's ability to fire back by destroying their cannon breech and traverse gears, or knock out their driver and gunner again if they were replaced. [9] How it got the name is debatable, but it is most likely due to the very prominent muzzle flash that the 17-pounder produces when firing. [7] The redesigned 17-pounder, named Mk IV was built on 11 November 1943 at the Royal Ordnance Factory and could fit into the Sherman turret,[6] but now the concern was on the crew inside. With situational awareness combined with the correct usage of the map, the Firefly becomes a decent tank capable of effectively fighting every medium and heavy tank it faces. 1. Not that the American's own industries were making the situation easier for the British as when they discontinued their M4A4 Sherman and 75 mm gun production, there was a quick drop in Firefly conversions in the latter part of 1944 until they could supplement the production with enough Sherman I models. Fireflies were in such high demand that some commanders have expressed thought of obtaining the 17-pdr armed M10 as supplement. Witheridge, still keen to the idea of using the Sherman, tried to get this directive reversed by appealing to his connections, namely a man going by Major General Raymond Briggs. M4 Tipo IC Sherman Vc M4A4. Abgerufen von „https://de.warthunder.info/index.php?title=Firefly&oldid=11656“ The muzzle brake on the cannon is also in a spherical shape rather than a horizontal rectangular shape so that is a distinction between the 76 mm cannon and the 17-pounder. [8] Due to the relative newness of the Firefly, most of the training done on the utilization and deployment of the Fireflies were done on the combat field by each regiment. It will not get any better than this until rank VI, so get used to it - it will be the same across entire tech tree for a while with SPAA being the only exception. The British understood the trend that was happening in German armoured forces and acted accordingly with the 17-pounder. The Sherman IC Firefly was removed from War Thunder stores after the 2018 Summer Sale event. [16] In the American's own program, it was advised that they try mounting the 17-pounder in the T23 turret made for the 76 mm gun, but also mounted on the T26 chassis. Though they soon developed the HVAP ammunition, General Omar Bradley's 12th US Army Group on 13 August 1944 requested for Fireflies to be made until better American armament like the 90 mm could be fielded. It wasn't until February 1945 when the British finally made time for conversions for the Americans. 6 feb, 2016 @ 19:27 Sherman Firefly This tank is great against low armor stuff that sneeks into TIII but when you face Tigers,Panthers,IS-1,Su-152s, and more its just a free kill for the enemy. This page was last edited on 21 December 2020, at 19:01. From the hedgerow of Normandy, France, to the hills of Italy and the plains of Netherlands, the Firefly was one of the few Allied tanks the Germans learned to fear… Among the most potent Allied conversion of the war, and certainly one of the deadliest version of the Sherman, it was a clever -although risky and improvised- move to try to keep up with the latest German tank developments. I don't know how to avoid getting one shot besides hiding behind a rock the whole game. How do you play it? I would literally move all the tracks to the front and cover it in bushes if possible. Incl. Und obwohl auf Umwegen bzw. 1.8k. [8] Finally, there was an issue of ammo stowage for the larger and heavier 17-pdr rounds, 6 inches longer than the 75 mm shells. F2. Field reports by a Colonel W.E.H. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Today we’re going to unveil our first armoured vehicles of the British tech line which are going to appear in one of our incoming updates. [11], The first non-DD tank regiment with Fireflies to land was the Staffordshire Yeomanry, which had at least 12 Sherman VC with 48 Sherman IIIs, however, little information exists on how it performed on the opening days of the Normandy campaign. Pioneering British Tanks in War Thunder with developer's answers. This tank should be the supporting line in both offensive and defensive actions, providing flanking fire, long-range fire, or fast and accurate fire to the target while the heavy tanks take up the brunt of the defence. This makes the Firefly a much more vulnerable Sherman tank than even the American versions, a trade-off for its more powerful armament. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Sherman_IC_%22Trzyniec%22&oldid=82249, Cast homogeneous armour (Transmission area, Turret). EAN: 4250229623627. As such, APCBC round would still be standard usage and though the 17-pounder was still slightly more powerful than the 76 mm, it traded crew comfort and design quality in the Firefly in comparison to the 76 mm gun in the larger T23 turret. Jul 26, 2019 @ 4:09am Comet's got the APDS that punches through Panthers, only issue is its a higher BR than the Firefly, … The Tipo is a composite Sherman, so crap armor basically. Der Sherman Firefly (Leuchtkäfer) war ein alliierter Kampfpanzer, dessen Entwicklung als Reaktion auf die zunehmende technische Dominanz deutscher Panzerkampfwagen – besonders durch den Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger – zu verstehen ist. too bad the 75mm is probably more dangerous than the 17pndr nowadays ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). M4A3E2 (76) W. Other . Once reloaded, preferably pop out of an area different from the last firing position and take another shot. Though this deduction was not supported by evidence (19% of total Fireflies were lost, but 29% of regular tanks were lost as well), the concern of Firefly loss was great because of the supply issue. [10], Still, as D-Day approached for the Allied forces and the A30 Challenger was continually delayed, the eagerness of the troops to acquire the Firefly rose substantially. What's the difference? During this whole process, watch out for other enemy tanks and avoid being swarmed. Inspection of the completed Sherman with the 17-pdr started on 06 January 1944, and the War Office wrote a requirement for up to 2,100 of the tanks to be up-gunned. [5], One person deemed responsible for completing the project was W.G.K. The large breech of the modified 17-pounder ate up a lot of internal space and isolated the loader on the left side of the gun and turret; the solution was to cut a hole on top of the loader's position and add a hatch. The next design took the Cromwell tank as its basis, with development proceeding in 1942 as the A30 (later known as the Challenger). Sherman Mk Vc Firefly - In der Röntgenansicht wird nun der historische Motor dargestellt. Sherman VC vs. Sherman Firefly? However, it was during the middle of 1943 that the Sherman design was beginning to wane in superiority with the reveal of newer German tanks in the front lines, namely the Tiger I and the Panther tanks. 640 Amx 13 57 GF asia server E100 JPZ 4 m46 military challenge coins Porsche (Automobile Company) real life spiritual warfare sahmlockhart sherman firefly Trolling war thunder erstaz m10 war thunder me-262 war thunder object 120 war thunder ps4 war thunder request World of Tanks 121B Gameplay World of Tanks Alpine Tiger World of Tanks Funniest Replay world of tanks … M4A1 (FL10) IV Rank. Grylls in 1945[12] helped highlight the troop's sentiments on the Firefly in combat, and especially their deficiencies. [12] Still, the units acquiring the Fireflies appreciated what they had as it was the only tank in Normandy in the Summer of 1944 that had a reasonable chance of defeating a Panther or Tiger at combat ranges in the front. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" M4A3 (76) W ␗M4A1 (75) W M4A4. Troops with the up-gunned Sherman, as early as March 1944, were describing tank as a Firefly, regardless of the type. Download War Thunder NOW! Sherman VC … Grylls also highlighted the crew praise on how the Firefly tended to not catch fire as quickly as Shermans, though this is deduced to by the placement of the majority of ammunition on the bottom of the hull, like the "wet stowage" arrangement on the newer Sherman models. This varies between different enemies, as going against something like the KV-2 would be different than going against a Tiger I. Sherman Firefly. The shermans all brew up pretty easily but the firefly is awful. [2] The British predicted that the Germans would be increasing their tank armour gradually to make current anti-tank weapons ineffective in North Africa, a lesson learned when their issued 2-pounder, 6-pounder, and 75 mm guns were meeting heavier armoured tanks and even tanks with superior firepower like the 75 mm KwK 40 on the Pz.Kpfw. The best I can do is lob words and hope it sticks. Witheridge was also convinced of the Sherman's virtues from his time at Fort Knox when advising on tank gunnery techniques. The radio, usually mounted on the rear of the turret, was deemed too close to the recoiling breech for comfort so an armoured box was welded to the turret rear for the radio and a hole cut into the turret rear for operating the radio away from the recoiling gun. [14], Once Firefly supply to the Normandy campaign was satisfied in October 1944, Fireflies were allocated to the Italian theatre, shared out to the Polish, Canadian, New Zealand, British, and South African regiments stationed there. I try to hide my whole tank behind a hill, or a building. At that time, the “basic” M4 Sherman equipped the Allies almost exclusively, from the US to the British, Canadian, ANZACS, Fr… It was they who, a few days after the landings, deduced that the Germans seemed to be targeting their Fireflies specifically for their long guns. Unless the enemy's tank gunner has been knocked out (black only), cannon breech has been disabled (red/black), or cannon barrel is disabled (red/black) that inhibits the enemy's ability to fire back, don’t expose the tank after firing. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". The Sherman Firefly is easily distinguishable by its very long gun, even compared to the Shermans with the American 76 mm guns. 1.8k. Other regiments were originally DD tanks with Fireflies but were employed as regular tank regiments once inland. Unlike the armour on the American Rank III Shermans which saw itself upped from 50.8 mm to 63.5 mm, the British Firefly in Rank III retains the old 50.8 mm base armour thickness on the front hull, as well as the protruding driver and co-driver hatches in front. While this tank is also capable of being the frontal attack unit for an assault, it is strongly advised not to due to the thin armour of the tank, necessitating the users to always get the first shot off in an encounter, otherwise the enemy will be able to destroy the Firefly easily. Videos featuring my skins may show up on Youtube or War Thunder Live, but they all link back to here. Also its hard to do research on a tank when you die every time you try to cap. I wish Gaijin would include sandbags for extra armour, or let us put the armour on (with restrictions of course) like the decals. This variant, … In the second part, tell the re Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, I put some "Eight balls" decals on my barrel. Posted by 8 hours ago. [13] In fact, the Firefly is most likely the responsible tank that destroyed the Tiger tank containing the Tiger Ace Michael Wittmann on 08 August 1944. Category: Alle Produkte. Posted by 4 days ago. On the onset, the Americans were not enthusiastic about the Firefly because they believed they had a comparable design in the 76 mm armed Shermans. Sherman IC "Trzyniec" of 2nd (Warsaw) Armoured Division. The Ordnance QF 17-pounder was a 76.2 mm anti-tank gun developed by the United Kingdom around 1942 but was considered as far back as 21 November 1940. Item number: 1212372014. The Fireflies were also allocated to Canadian and Polish regiments. It then moved onto the next stage of being approved for service. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. The right side of the turret has extra armour that is 88.9 mm thick. Using the Sherman as the basis, the British added their famed 17-pounder anti-tank gun to the turret, making the tank a very potent weapon against heavily armoured tanks of its battle rating. [6], The Firefly's first combat action on D-Day was not actually on the land of Normandy but on the sea. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Now the gun used is the 17 pounder or QF 76mm gun yet it doesn't get sabot while the same gun on the Challenger and Black Prince do get them. Art. It should be noted that the 17-pounder's super round, the APDS, did not appear in Firefly stowage until August 1944,[4] and in combat was really inaccurate past 500 yards and the round fouled the barrel that it affected follow-up shots with APCBC rounds. Though a good portion of Germany's armour in the Normandy front were Panthers, a good majority were still Panzer IVs and self-propelled guns,[14] all of which were manageable even with the 75 mm guns. [15] Due to supply constraints, they never received any during that time period. What solidified the Firefly's place in history in comparison to the 76 mm Shermans was that on the very first day that the Allies invaded Normandy, the British actually brought the Fireflies while the Americans left their 76 mm guns in English depots. War Thunder 1/24 M4A3 Sherman IR 2.4 GHz. Identical to Sherman Firefly, which is the first tank in its tech line to have X6 scope. [3] One of the reasons why the 17-pounder was so effective was the use of the APDS shot (Armour-Piercing Discarding-Sabot), which could penetrate up to 256 mm of armour at 500 meters distance; this is due to the smaller, but much faster projectile used that contains more kinetic energy than a full-sized shot. Verfügbar werden die vier exklusiven Fahrzeuge A13 Mk.II Cruister, der Sherman Firefly Ic mit schlagkräftigem Hauptgeschütz, die Selbstfahrlafette M10 Achilles und der A43 Black Prince als Ausführung des Infanterie-Unterstützungspanzers Churchill. Meet the British pioneers in War Thunder: the A13 Mk.II cruiser tank, the Sherman Firefly medium tank, the M10 Achilles anti-tank SPG, and the A43 Black Prince infantry tank. The muzzle brake sometimes came loose from an inadequate locking design, the traverse gear also failed at times due to the extra turret weight from the gun, rain leaked into the radio box on some tanks, internal space for the Firefly turret crew was comparatively cramped to the Sherman's, the muzzle flash at the gun's muzzle brake can obscure the target enough that it is difficult to ensure the firing round hit it, and muzzle flash on the breech end of the gun inside the turret has a tendency to cause a fair share of discomfort and uneasiness for the crew. Hey, guys, which ammo is worth to use with firefly... and how is gun performance nowadays, I hope it doesnt su*k :) :) like US heat fs nowadays THX THX The Firefly's performance was very favourable for the troops that had to use them against the heavy German tanks. Once the LCT reached the shore, the Fireflies were ordered to disembark and head inland, finishing off obstacles and join their original tank regiments. I'm kind of surprised by how well that works. At that BR the difference isn't all that big though. Dirt and dust revealed the position of the tank, so Sherman Fireflies would have to move every few shots. In a statement on how confident such a design looked from the outside, Witheridge test-fired Brighty's 17-pounder Sherman from the outside three times before trying it out inside. To increase the stowage for more 17-pounder rounds, the bow machine gunner was removed along with his machine gun (the port welded over by a prominent wedge-shaped armour) and a rack holding 15 rounds placed in his location, however the position for the rack was also impossible to reach during combat and one location on the rack was so hard to get to that it wasn't used, making the total stowage 14 rounds instead.[6]. The first trials were converting two M4A3 Shermans to fit American specifications like fitting their larger radios, adding stowage brackets for the M2 machine gun, and attachment of a M9 elevating quadrant on the gun cradle. Churchill Mk.VII - Die Darstellung der durch die Kettenabdeckung "laufenden" Ketten wurde behoben.. RakJPz 2 - Die Darstellung des Munitionsgurtes für das Flugabwehr-MG wurde hinzugefügt. The Firefly's were assigned an unusual role to, while on the LCT that would carry them to the beaches, would fire over the berm towards concrete fortifications and blast them with the 17-pdr. During the war, Sherman Firefly with its 17 pdr posed a great threat to the german heavies and their distinctively long barrels meant that the Germans usually target them out first during combat. Always try to retreat back into cover to reload. Originally conceived as a stopgap until future British tank designs came into service, the Sherman Firefly … RB Ground. It was based on the US M4 Sherman, but fitted with the powerful 3-inch (76.2 mm) calibre British 17-pounder anti-tank gun as its main weapon. bonus code. The British, however, chose to up the ante with one of the Allies' most potent anti-tank guns at the time, the 17-pounder. M4A4 (SA50) M4A3E2. Now you're probably thinking "who the hell gives a crap about that one WW2 medium tank for the UK" I do. With that, supply issue arose in that theatre for the Firefly, causing the units that received the Fireflies to treasure them greatly. Der verbleibende Hauptteil der britischen Landstreitkräfte wird War Thunder bis Ende 2015 erreichen. However, with the Ministry of Supply now involved with the project, the design was shifted from two enthusiastic officers to the engineers. This variant of the Firefly represents a version utilized by Polish armed forces operating within the British army. While A30 was in development, the prolonged development time had Tank Board set up for two more 17-pounder projects, the A34 (Comet) for a short term project and A41 (Centurion) for a long term one, in the summer of 1943. All rights reserved. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details. As illustrated that though 22 Fireflies were lost, by June 23 only six replacements had arrived. I really like improvised vehicle modifications like this and stuff like improvised addon armor :), I bet the guys in the regular Shermans were absolutely thrilled. If you want to use my skins for something outside of normal play, be a dear and let me know beforehand. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. It was removed from the store after the 2018 Summer Sale, but was reintroduced for War Thunder's 6th Anniversary as a premium purchasable for 4,000 Golden Eagles . The tank is as mobile as the M4 Sherman, so picking up speed to get around the enemy is not hard. Dakota. Not every Sherman could follow the conversion, whether by technical or logistics limitations, and only petrol-engined, M34A1 gun mounted, and have a hydraulic turret traverse system. Some of the deficiencies were fixed, such as the flashback at the breech end by implementing a delayed action breech on the 17-pounder Mk.VII model, but all these faults never diminished the popularity of the Firefly, highlighted by the statements of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery that he wished to have Fireflies replace all types of Shermans in British service.[12]. The stowage on the tank was in bins in the turret for ready access, but a bulk of it was placed under the turret floor that could only be accessed when the turret was aligned a certain position for each bin, making them more for replenishing the ready racks during breaks in combat. There 's absolutely no point in using that Firefly IMO 2019 @ 4:06am or. Normandy when they were proven wrong and learned the 76 mm were unable to contend Panthers. To sources and external resources, such as: © 2010—2020 by Gaijin Entertainment has! 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